Curse

wraithmarine · Aug 14, 2006, 02:22 PM // 14:22

Of my 6 chars, my ranger (Wraith Trueshot) is probably my favorite. However a build that has become way too common and over used i.e touch ranger has started to piss me off. This build requires about as much skill as a ele spamming flare.

I have tried this build for myself and marvel at its simplicity and abilty to destroy whole teams in the team and random arenas. But come on this is well too over powered. I have tried combating this build and the only counter seems to b a memser with diversion or an illusionary warrior with blackout. (Other proffs that use blackout tend to disable themselves more then there foes)
And be4 any of u reflex monkeys say anything disrupting via punishing, savage shot is not really a counter.

Other ways in combating them is energy draining. But even thats not as effective as it sounds. Most touchers r crafting and use stances to evade moves like delibirating shot etc. And offering blood gives them a ready supply.

Therefore i have thought of 2 nerfing ideas:
1. Make scourage healing effect health steal spells. This has got to b a fix. I mean stealing heal is effectivily a heal.

2. Make evades, blocks or blindness effect being able to touch foes. Y not a think about it, u got more chance of hitting some1 with a hammer when blind then touching them. And blocking or evading some1 whos trying to touch you speaks for itself.

These nerf would even up the system without spoiling wot a 'touch' skill really is. Making vamp and other touches into spells is not the answer as thats just ruining a whole block of skills. (Also its converting them from rangers being able to use to eles with magnetic aura, swiling etc).

hope u like the ideas btw don't flame or spam. This is my first post. and yes i ave read other posts about touchers.

Evilsod · Aug 14, 2006, 02:45 PM // 14:45

Life Stealing is not a heal, and making Touch skills be affected by blindess is retarded, the whole point of bringing Shock or Shove is the fact they can interrupt through blocked/evasion.

In short... we don't care, theres a few 100 threads on people whining about touchers. And a few 100 thousand posts on how to counter touchers. And lots of people whining about how they are still overpowered.

wraithmarine · Aug 14, 2006, 03:06 PM // 15:06

life stealing can be considered a heal. In sample stealing not the regen of life transfer etc. And shock is also elemental dmg in the form of air. there is no block to air dmg. Its a touch spell sorta thing. Wot wrong with blindess effecting touches. touches will still hit through armour and do there specified amount of dmg. It makes sence to evade or block a touch at u.

and i ain't whinning i giving idea to help fix it.

Pick Me · Aug 14, 2006, 03:48 PM // 15:48

Ideas to fix what? Touches are not broken. Vampiric Touch/Bite are skills, not spells.

Any type of life stealing is not true healing.

If it made sense that you can evade or block a toucher (block through a shield?) then it stands to reason, you cannot evade or block when you are blind. I mean how can you block an attack that you can't see coming?

If armor can't protect you from a touch, then neither can a shield, right?

As EvilSod said, KDs are just one way of taking down a Toucher.

dargon · Aug 14, 2006, 06:07 PM // 18:07

My personal favorite way of killing a toucher is poison + crip shot + hunters shot

xiaotsu · Aug 14, 2006, 07:01 PM // 19:01

First off, if you KNOW there are other threads about it, why make a new one? GG on that.

Secondly, take a crip or some degen and just kill them instead of whining. It makes touchers angry when they get crip'd/massive degen, trust me, I run touch sometimes when I'm in the mood to make 8 year olds whine.

sigried · Aug 14, 2006, 07:12 PM // 19:12

hahaha again this topic they already discussed this guys give it a break.

Huntmaster · Aug 14, 2006, 07:16 PM // 19:16

There are more people beating this build than there are people running it.

Touch Rangers aren't overpowered, you're just too lazy to get used to beating them. This is like IWAY, except in a more minimal form.

King's Spectre · Aug 14, 2006, 08:29 PM // 20:29

Yeah there is a tonne of degen in AB these days. 4 touchers in a squad can be a bit of a pain, but singles are easy targets.

squirty · Aug 14, 2006, 08:35 PM // 20:35

Quote:

Yet another touch ranger rant

need I say more?

SnipiousMax · Aug 14, 2006, 08:37 PM // 20:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by King's Spectre

Yeah there is a tonne of degen in AB these days. 4 touchers in a squad can be a bit of a pain, but singles are easy targets.

Even a 4 touch squad cannot stand up against a half-way coordinated team with moderately thought out builds.

Alexi Jotun · Aug 14, 2006, 08:38 PM // 20:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by wraithmarine

Of my 6 chars, my ranger (Wraith Trueshot) is probably my favorite. However a build that has become way too common and over used i.e touch ranger has started to piss me off. This build requires about as much skill as a ele spamming flare.

I have tried this build for myself and marvel at its simplicity and abilty to destroy whole teams in the team and random arenas. But come on this is well too over powered. I have tried combating this build and the only counter seems to b a memser with diversion or an illusionary warrior with blackout. (Other proffs that use blackout tend to disable themselves more then there foes)
And be4 any of u reflex monkeys say anything disrupting via punishing, savage shot is not really a counter.

Other ways in combating them is energy draining. But even thats not as effective as it sounds. Most touchers r crafting and use stances to evade moves like delibirating shot etc. And offering blood gives them a ready supply.

Therefore i have thought of 2 nerfing ideas:
1. Make scourage healing effect health steal spells. This has got to b a fix. I mean stealing heal is effectivily a heal.

2. Make evades, blocks or blindness effect being able to touch foes. Y not a think about it, u got more chance of hitting some1 with a hammer when blind then touching them. And blocking or evading some1 whos trying to touch you speaks for itself.

These nerf would even up the system without spoiling wot a 'touch' skill really is. Making vamp and other touches into spells is not the answer as thats just ruining a whole block of skills. (Also its converting them from rangers being able to use to eles with magnetic aura, swiling etc).

hope u like the ideas btw don't flame or spam. This is my first post. and yes i ave read other posts about touchers.

There are very easy ways to counter touchies, that dotn invonve nerfing. Theyre all to obvious, so i wont even bother listing them.

Whenever I play toucher, I always get flamed to all hell, but people dont realise that it IS a valid build. There's no one complaining about shockers are there? No one complaining about boonie monks? Then why should you complain about touchers? You shouldnt.

I would like to shake the hand of whomever invented the touch ranger build, because its brilliant. It takes innovative thinking like that, to get truley great builds.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilsod

In short... we don't care, theres a few 100 threads on people whining about touchers. And a few 100 thousand posts on how to counter touchers. And lots of people whining about how they are still overpowered.

Thank you.

Evilsod · Aug 14, 2006, 10:11 PM // 22:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexi Jotun

Whenever I play toucher, I always get flamed to all hell, but people dont realise that it IS a valid build. There's no one complaining about shockers are there? No one complaining about boonie monks? Then why should you complain about touchers? You shouldnt.

I know what you mean about the flamed thing, i did it just because i couldn't be arsed to play cripshotter anymore in RA.

But then again the people who flame touchers in RA/TA are usually either
1. Too stupid to kill them.
2. Too stupid to bring a counter to make them ineffective (even kiting)
3. Wammos who say in all chat during ABs 'Stop running away you chicken Kendel'

The last 1 never ceases to make me laugh

Cripshotter supremacy in ABs.

Age · Aug 14, 2006, 10:37 PM // 22:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by dargon

My personal favorite way of killing a toucher is poison + crip shot + hunters shot

Hunter shot hey I will have to try that in AB as i am tired of these sneaking up on me.

Hanging Man · Aug 14, 2006, 11:46 PM // 23:46

man there are way to many threads complaining about touch rangers I mean when theres a problem or something is too hard for someone the first reaction is nerf the build. try and think of a way around before you start to complain

Evilsod · Aug 15, 2006, 12:25 AM // 00:25

The stupid part is the OP mentioned about hwo Scourge Healing doesn't kill a Toucher.... yet i'm quite sure Scourge Sacrifice would. Sacrificing 182 health to gain 18 energy is not a good trade off.

Hidden in the Mist · Aug 15, 2006, 12:39 AM // 00:39

Shared Burden for multiple touchers.

Thom Bangalter · Aug 15, 2006, 12:51 AM // 00:51

can we get a mod in here to lock this? I'm really bored seeing these all the time.

andrewf · Aug 15, 2006, 03:25 AM // 03:25

edited by sno for content.

super sinep · Aug 15, 2006, 10:01 AM // 10:01

I have nothing against touch rangers. It is a good build. The problem is that now when playing in the pvp team arenas i have to play touch ranger or anti-touch and it just gets boring. In truth touch rangers have destroyed pvp play in places.